Can you feel the connective tensions in your body? And do you apply that to your therapy? - massage and bodywork professionals2024-03-29T02:33:30Zhttps://massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/can-you-feel-the-connective-tensions-in-your-body-and-do-you?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHow time flies.
I focused on…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2018-02-26:2887274:Comment:3717862018-02-26T15:59:43.259ZNorio Tomitahttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/NorioTomita
<p>How time flies.</p>
<p>I focused on preparing my class in March in NY.</p>
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<p>My textbook for the class was introduced by Ohashiatsu. What a honor.</p>
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<p>I've been learning French last year, and got certificate in Dec.</p>
<p>So, I started English & French blog, will post about the…</p>
<p>How time flies.</p>
<p>I focused on preparing my class in March in NY.</p>
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<p>My textbook for the class was introduced by Ohashiatsu. What a honor.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://ohashimethod.wordpress.com/2018/02/20/whats-in-a-name/" target="_blank">https://ohashimethod.wordpress.com/2018/02/20/whats-in-a-name/</a></p>
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<p>I've been learning French last year, and got certificate in Dec.</p>
<p>So, I started English & French blog, will post about the connection of myofascia from now on.</p>
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<p>And I will post also about it here.</p> Thank you Gordon, it's really…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2017-10-20:2887274:Comment:3692132017-10-20T04:41:10.942ZNorio Tomitahttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/NorioTomita
Thank you Gordon, it's really interesting. Mistranslation made misunderstanding of meridian line and qi!<br />
Chinese and Japanese is different language, but we use same chinese character, so I think Japanese have less misunderstanding than western countries. But anyway, after a long time, techniques from China, techniques original Japanese, both of them mixed each other now. I will write about a little history of Shiatsu in Japan next time.<br />
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I have some sense of qi, but I don't want to use it for…
Thank you Gordon, it's really interesting. Mistranslation made misunderstanding of meridian line and qi!<br />
Chinese and Japanese is different language, but we use same chinese character, so I think Japanese have less misunderstanding than western countries. But anyway, after a long time, techniques from China, techniques original Japanese, both of them mixed each other now. I will write about a little history of Shiatsu in Japan next time.<br />
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I have some sense of qi, but I don't want to use it for my treatment nor my explanation. Because it's meanless if we can't share the sense with our clients. I want to explain the connection of the tension in our body by physical aspects only, and want my clients to feel that after my treatment.<br />
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I almost finish writing my textbook. I would like to start to explain the lines I sense from next week. I think this kinda fits into…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2017-10-19:2887274:Comment:3695062017-10-19T03:05:12.915ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
I think this kinda fits into this thread? I’ve always thought the Qii chi energy thing of acupuncture and meridians a bit Hard to really accept. As Norio stated, he is working on a physical level. I too. I’m working with meridians, but it’s definitely working with sinew channels ( muscle chains ) , not some mysterious qi energy thing. I know some, or maybe a lot will disagree with me, and that’s ok. But after reading a bit of the history of acupuncture, and how it became introduced to the west.…
I think this kinda fits into this thread? I’ve always thought the Qii chi energy thing of acupuncture and meridians a bit Hard to really accept. As Norio stated, he is working on a physical level. I too. I’m working with meridians, but it’s definitely working with sinew channels ( muscle chains ) , not some mysterious qi energy thing. I know some, or maybe a lot will disagree with me, and that’s ok. But after reading a bit of the history of acupuncture, and how it became introduced to the west. All that mysterious qi stuff started from a mistranslation. In the two attachments are some excerpts from a book on the history of Chinese medicine. It’s a little bit long. But in there it says it all. Any more, I rarely do what wo…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2017-10-09:2887274:Comment:3691522017-10-09T17:03:04.976ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
Any more, I rarely do what would be considered massage therapy. It's my version of Acupressure. Like you, I'm manipulating tissue far distal from the actual site of pain itself. It's cool, and highly effective. But I'm not un-sticking muscle or fascia at the distal point. I'm stimulating a neurological Reflex from that distal area that relaxes the tissues in the area of pain. I have maybe 20 different release points for any given pain area.<br />
I plan on teaching my system at some point. In a year…
Any more, I rarely do what would be considered massage therapy. It's my version of Acupressure. Like you, I'm manipulating tissue far distal from the actual site of pain itself. It's cool, and highly effective. But I'm not un-sticking muscle or fascia at the distal point. I'm stimulating a neurological Reflex from that distal area that relaxes the tissues in the area of pain. I have maybe 20 different release points for any given pain area.<br />
I plan on teaching my system at some point. In a year maybe? Gordon, thank you to share yo…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2017-10-09:2887274:Comment:3689452017-10-09T00:37:00.916ZNorio Tomitahttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/NorioTomita
<p class="p1">Gordon<span class="s1">,</span> thank you to share your sense and theory. I<span class="s1">’</span>m really glad to know people like you who sense the connection and apply it logically to your treatment. Pueppi<span class="s1">,</span> thank you for your arrangement of terminology.</p>
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<p class="p1">To me also<span class="s1">,</span> the name of lines doesn<span class="s1">’</span>t matter either. I want to find the points to treat effectively in the…</p>
<p class="p1">Gordon<span class="s1">,</span> thank you to share your sense and theory. I<span class="s1">’</span>m really glad to know people like you who sense the connection and apply it logically to your treatment. Pueppi<span class="s1">,</span> thank you for your arrangement of terminology.</p>
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<p class="p1">To me also<span class="s1">,</span> the name of lines doesn<span class="s1">’</span>t matter either. I want to find the points to treat effectively in the connection of the tension. I thought Jing Jin seems to represent it more precisely than Anatomy Train. But even though<span class="s1">,</span> I personally feel that there are more lines at both sides of all fingers and toes<span class="s1">,</span> so I think even Jing Jin doesn<span class="s1">’</span>t cover everything.</p>
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<p class="p1">The merit to sense such lines are<span class="s1">,</span> as I wrote last time<span class="s1">,</span></p>
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<li class="li1">we don<span class="s1">’</span>t need to touch the point of symptom/pain</li>
<li class="li1">we don<span class="s1">’</span>t need to push nor massage the muscles</li>
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<p class="p1">When I scan the tension of my client<span class="s1">,</span> what I am aware of</p>
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<li class="li1">the farther point from symptom/pain works more effectively</li>
<li class="li1">such points of care are on the bone edges or the part of the bone that is convex-shaped. Some induration are there around those convex parts. Once I release the induration<span class="s1">,</span> the tension decreases along that whole line.</li>
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<p class="p1">In the case of Achilles tendon<span class="s1">,</span> I treat the toes and the base of the toes at first. If the tension doesn<span class="s1">’</span>t decrease enough<span class="s1">,</span> then I try to find other points along the « TaiYang »-like line. The ischium bone edge<span class="s1">,</span> the groove of the sacroiliac joint<span class="s1">,</span> the rib bone edges<span class="s1">,</span> and the entire head. The physical relation between the neck flexibility and the ankle/wrist flexibility is well known in Japanese Seitai. So I agree with the C1 point that Gordon mentioned. I may scratch the whole back of the head to release the sticking myofascia on the back head bone to release C1<span class="s1">,</span> because I feel a strong connection between them.</p> What I do is meridian based.…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2017-10-06:2887274:Comment:3689382017-10-06T00:53:02.263ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
What I do is meridian based. The points are important. It's that using a Jing Jin chart or a meridian chart, makes no difference.. I look at meridian charts all day long. That's why I posted a Jing Jin chart and a meridian chart in the attachments.<br />
I don't mean to be confusing. I developed this system, and it won't make sense until I explain how it works in totality . And I don't want to do that online here. I'm going to be making a DVD hopefully within a year that will clearly explain what I'm…
What I do is meridian based. The points are important. It's that using a Jing Jin chart or a meridian chart, makes no difference.. I look at meridian charts all day long. That's why I posted a Jing Jin chart and a meridian chart in the attachments.<br />
I don't mean to be confusing. I developed this system, and it won't make sense until I explain how it works in totality . And I don't want to do that online here. I'm going to be making a DVD hopefully within a year that will clearly explain what I'm doing, and how to do it. Sorry for any confusion. I guess you could say I'm using the Jing Jin channels. But all I need is an acupuncture chart. This is a Jing Jin Chart in the attachment. I can use that or an acupuncture chart. I depend on those charts. At the same time what I'm doing is in no way shape or form what is being taught as Acupressure. So I called it Holographic Acupressure. Yea you're right Pueppi, I'm…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2017-10-05:2887274:Comment:3688562017-10-05T18:01:00.361ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
Yea you're right Pueppi, I'm working on the physical muscular level. To me, meridians are just lines that represent the muscle chains. So I can look at a Jing Jin chart or a meridian chat and it doesn't matter( for my work). In other words, for my Holographic Acupressure, meridian charts are just representations of muscle chains or Jing Jin chains. My work may look like energy work , but what I do is definitely not energy work.
Yea you're right Pueppi, I'm working on the physical muscular level. To me, meridians are just lines that represent the muscle chains. So I can look at a Jing Jin chart or a meridian chat and it doesn't matter( for my work). In other words, for my Holographic Acupressure, meridian charts are just representations of muscle chains or Jing Jin chains. My work may look like energy work , but what I do is definitely not energy work. In addition, and I'm talking…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2017-10-05:2887274:Comment:3688542017-10-05T17:18:18.440ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
In addition, and I'm talking about my own personal approach to pain relief and therapy, not anyone elses. I don't think in terms of Ki or chi. The distinction between meridians , backlines, Jing Jin ,and so on, are just details that are irrelevant to my work. And I want to emphasize "my work." Not telling anybody what to think or do.
In addition, and I'm talking about my own personal approach to pain relief and therapy, not anyone elses. I don't think in terms of Ki or chi. The distinction between meridians , backlines, Jing Jin ,and so on, are just details that are irrelevant to my work. And I want to emphasize "my work." Not telling anybody what to think or do. Base of the toe. That’s inter…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2017-10-05:2887274:Comment:3688502017-10-05T14:42:33.775ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
Base of the toe. That’s interesting. One of the ways that I would take pain out of the Achilles tendon would be to manipulate the tissues at C1, the occipital area at the base of the skull( BL10) on the same side. Besides being on the same Tendino-muscular meridian as the Achilles , C1 has a relationship with L5 which inervates a large area of the foot., especially at the base of the toes.<br></br>
Anyway, I hope you are figuring out what you want to figure out. Bottom line is that it works. Ok,…
Base of the toe. That’s interesting. One of the ways that I would take pain out of the Achilles tendon would be to manipulate the tissues at C1, the occipital area at the base of the skull( BL10) on the same side. Besides being on the same Tendino-muscular meridian as the Achilles , C1 has a relationship with L5 which inervates a large area of the foot., especially at the base of the toes.<br/>
Anyway, I hope you are figuring out what you want to figure out. Bottom line is that it works. Ok, gotta get ready for work. Thank you Pueppi, thank you G…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2017-10-05:2887274:Comment:3689362017-10-05T05:15:45.955ZNorio Tomitahttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/NorioTomita
<p class="p1">Thank you Pueppi<span class="s1">,</span> thank you Gardon.</p>
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<p class="p1">To answer the question by Pueppi<span class="s1">,</span> I think we could care the symptom with less power and less points by sensing Jing Jin lines<span class="s1">,</span> rather than Meridian lines. Yes<span class="s1">,</span> there are same number of meridian lines and Jing Jin<span class="s1">,</span> and they are similar each other<span class="s1">,</span> as Gordon wrote. But…</p>
<p class="p1">Thank you Pueppi<span class="s1">,</span> thank you Gardon.</p>
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<p class="p1">To answer the question by Pueppi<span class="s1">,</span> I think we could care the symptom with less power and less points by sensing Jing Jin lines<span class="s1">,</span> rather than Meridian lines. Yes<span class="s1">,</span> there are same number of meridian lines and Jing Jin<span class="s1">,</span> and they are similar each other<span class="s1">,</span> as Gordon wrote. But the original definition of Jing Jin is different from Meridian Line<span class="s1">(</span>it<span class="s1">’</span>s not connected to the abdominal organs<span class="s1">),</span> and it indicates the physical aspects rather than Meridian Line.</p>
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<p class="p1"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shiatsu basically uses "push" technique<span class="s1">,</span> as the name means "finger pressure". They identify the meridian line that is related to the symptom<span class="s1">,</span> find and relax induration while caring for that meridian line. To care the pain of Achilles tendon<span class="s1">,</span> they deal with Bladder Meridian<span class="s1">,</span> as Gordon wrote<span class="s1">,</span> push along the line including Tsubo and the induration they feel by their fingers. But basically<span class="s1">,</span> the purpose of the treatment is to adjust the balance of Qi in the line<span class="s1">,</span> or among the lines<span class="s1">,</span> rather than conducing direct result to the symptom.</p>
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<p class="p1">On the other hand<span class="s1">,</span> we can recognize Jing Jin lines more simply as physics. If the Achilles tendon becomes tense<span class="s1">,</span> there is more specific tensed line<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> than Superficial Back Line of Anatomy Train. As the definition of Jing Jin said «all lines starts from distal »<span class="s1">,</span> first point I would care is a base of toe. The care point that I presented last time was 2nd point to care</p>
<p class="p1"><span class="s1">(</span>but anyway I presented because it was easy to draw in the picture and explain<span class="s1">)</span>. If the tension of Achilles tendon is rather outside<span class="s1">,</span> there<span class="s1">’</span>s induration at the bone edge of fourth toe sesamoids. And in case of inside<span class="s1">,</span> at the bone edge of 2nd toe sesamoids. With just taking care of these 2 points by gentle stimulation<span class="s1">,</span> more than half of tension decrease.</p>
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<p class="p1">I don<span class="s1">’</span>t know what the induration I feel is anatomically. But in Japan<span class="s1">,</span> it<span class="s1">’</span>s popular for orthopedic surgeons to observe myofascia by ultrasound diagnostic system<span class="s1">,</span> and they found that there is a little fat between the bone and tendon near the joint<span class="s1">,</span> and the fat change the shape and helps the tendon to slide when we move our joint. Once the fat get hard and stick to the bone<span class="s1">,</span> the flexibility of the tendon obviously decrease. I believe what I feel is the fat on the bone.</p>