Massage Parlours - massage and bodywork professionals2024-03-29T10:19:08Zhttps://massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A248307&feed=yes&xn_auth=nohere is MS, there hasn't bee…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-01-13:2887274:Comment:2483072012-01-13T01:03:08.368ZGary W Addis, LMThttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GaryWAddis
<p><br></br> here is MS, there hasn't been a raid of these things in 20 years, and in this small community, there's 4 of them<br></br> <cite>Mike G said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A248129&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment248129"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I have my own opinions why they do this. When the police raid a business, they seize all the money at the establishment as part of…</p>
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<p><br/> here is MS, there hasn't been a raid of these things in 20 years, and in this small community, there's 4 of them<br/> <cite>Mike G said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A248129&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment248129"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I have my own opinions why they do this. When the police raid a business, they seize all the money at the establishment as part of there investigation. Good luck getting it back, even if your proved innocent of any wrong doing. While the police don't actually use the money to line there own pockets, they can claim it as seized assets and use it to buy new police equipment or to justify overtime. This is why when you see these highly publicized busts on an Asian Massage Parlor (AMP) there are several different agencies involved. It's not an issue of police safety, when's the last time you read that an AMP had a shoot out with police during a raid? Or any weapons seized, EVER. The reason is each agency wants a cut of the seized money assets, period. While I can certainly agree that something probably illegal is happening at these places, I really don't feel comfortable with the police seizing all the money and not returning it. The potential for abuse is too great to ignore something like this.</p>
<p> <br/> <br/> <cite>Daniel Cohen said:</cite></p>
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<p>Unfortunately something like this is Very difficult to prove. While they are charged, very few people are actually convicted unless the police run an undercover investigation to prove it. This is why a week after a place is raided, it's open for business again. The main motivation police raid these places is either <strong>A</strong>. To seize money for the Police departments use or <strong>B</strong>. To use it as an election ploy by politicians to claim they are tough on crime. …<br></br></p>
<p>Unfortunately something like this is Very difficult to prove. While they are charged, very few people are actually convicted unless the police run an undercover investigation to prove it. This is why a week after a place is raided, it's open for business again. The main motivation police raid these places is either <strong>A</strong>. To seize money for the Police departments use or <strong>B</strong>. To use it as an election ploy by politicians to claim they are tough on crime. <br/> <br/> <cite>Tonya Brooks-Taylor said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?id=2887274%3ATopic%3A216232&page=2#2887274Comment217317"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">... The owner was booked on prostitution charges (operating a 'massage' business and offering sexual services) a few years back in the next town over from me. His/Her state license was revoked I guess...</div>
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</blockquote> I have my own opinions why th…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-01-12:2887274:Comment:2481292012-01-12T22:04:55.027ZMike Ghttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/MikeG
<p>I have my own opinions why they do this. When the police raid a business, they seize all the money at the establishment as part of there investigation. Good luck getting it back, even if your proved innocent of any wrong doing. While the police don't actually use the money to line there own pockets, they can claim it as seized assets and use it to buy new police equipment or to justify overtime. This is why when you see these highly publicized busts on an Asian Massage Parlor (AMP) there…</p>
<p>I have my own opinions why they do this. When the police raid a business, they seize all the money at the establishment as part of there investigation. Good luck getting it back, even if your proved innocent of any wrong doing. While the police don't actually use the money to line there own pockets, they can claim it as seized assets and use it to buy new police equipment or to justify overtime. This is why when you see these highly publicized busts on an Asian Massage Parlor (AMP) there are several different agencies involved. It's not an issue of police safety, when's the last time you read that an AMP had a shoot out with police during a raid? Or any weapons seized, EVER. The reason is each agency wants a cut of the seized money assets, period. While I can certainly agree that something probably illegal is happening at these places, I really don't feel comfortable with the police seizing all the money and not returning it. The potential for abuse is too great to ignore something like this.</p>
<p> <br/> <br/> <cite>Daniel Cohen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?xg_source=msg_com_forum&id=2887274%3ATopic%3A216232&page=3#2887274Comment217318"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">... (6 officers) have actually come in and guns drawn told the client on the table to get dressed because it would be a while to complete the investigation. The MT with limited English tried to talk to them and was literally slammed against the wall and a gun muzzle pushed against her nose. This is LAPD. ...</div>
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</blockquote> Very good idea. College has…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-12-04:2887274:Comment:2434072011-12-04T22:32:33.240ZGary W Addis, LMThttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GaryWAddis
<p>Very good idea. College has a Criminal Justice program as well. Its Director is an aggressive hater of crime. Tried to interest her in the school doing an investigation as public service. But Corporate is afraid of the negative publicity. I'll try your idea, see what happens.<br></br> <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Kay Warren said:…</cite></p>
<p>Very good idea. College has a Criminal Justice program as well. Its Director is an aggressive hater of crime. Tried to interest her in the school doing an investigation as public service. But Corporate is afraid of the negative publicity. I'll try your idea, see what happens.<br/> <br/> <br/> <cite>Kay Warren said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?xg_source=msg_com_forum&id=2887274%3ATopic%3A216232&page=5#2887274Comment243220"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>So, here's a possibility... even in Mississippi.... "Sweeps month" happens in February, May and November. TV ratings acquired then determine how much local TV stations and National networks determine their ad rates for the next several months. They LOVE investigative reporting, there are Emmys for it. So, perhaps it would be possible to have a chat with the "on your side" or consumer protection person at your local station and see if they'd be interested in a story about police & state regulators turning a blind eye to prostitution. You need to contact them now for a February story. It could be particularly juicy if they find out a local official or the police chief is on the take. I'm not saying this would be easy, but getting the story on the news might prod the officials into actually doing their jobs.</p>
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Gordon J. W…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-12-04:2887274:Comment:2432222011-12-04T21:33:56.959ZLinda LePelley, RN, NMThttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/LindaLePelley
<p>ROFL!!! </p>
<p> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
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<p>ROFL!!! </p>
<p> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
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<p>So, here's a possibility... even in Mississippi.... "Sweeps month" happens in February, May and November. TV ratings acquired then determine how much local TV stations and National networks determine their ad rates for the next several months. They LOVE investigative reporting, there are Emmys for it. So, perhaps it would be possible to have a chat with the "on your side" or consumer protection person at your local station and see if they'd be interested in a story about police &…</p>
<p>So, here's a possibility... even in Mississippi.... "Sweeps month" happens in February, May and November. TV ratings acquired then determine how much local TV stations and National networks determine their ad rates for the next several months. They LOVE investigative reporting, there are Emmys for it. So, perhaps it would be possible to have a chat with the "on your side" or consumer protection person at your local station and see if they'd be interested in a story about police & state regulators turning a blind eye to prostitution. You need to contact them now for a February story. It could be particularly juicy if they find out a local official or the police chief is on the take. I'm not saying this would be easy, but getting the story on the news might prod the officials into actually doing their jobs.</p>
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<p>Just a thought....</p> That's funny :)
Gordon J. W…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-12-04:2887274:Comment:2428932011-12-04T20:34:59.548ZEmmanuel Bistashttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/EmmanuelBistas
<p>That's funny :)</p>
<p> <br/> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
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<p>That's funny :)</p>
<p> <br/> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> I'm thinking about opening a…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-12-04:2887274:Comment:2433062011-12-04T19:06:36.618ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>I'm thinking about opening a fake brothel, that only does therapeutic massage work. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A242802&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment242802"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>In Anchorage...If you show that you graduated from a Massage School with certain amount of hours.. They give you a license to do massage... The people…</p>
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<p>I'm thinking about opening a fake brothel, that only does therapeutic massage work. <br/> <br/> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A242802&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment242802"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>In Anchorage...If you show that you graduated from a Massage School with certain amount of hours.. They give you a license to do massage... The people that work the parlors show diplomas from fake schools in California.. And they give them a license. Everybody knows it. But they do it anyway. So the laws against prostitution here are as fake as the fake schools they accept for the massage license in the first place...You just need a fake diploma here to do massage work or be a prostitute. Or both.. take your choice...<br/> <br/> <cite>Daniel Cohen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A243206&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment243206"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Gary it isn't so much the corruption which does exist especially on local levels but the fact that this type of crime is too low level for the high cost of conviction. Personally I would rather the government spends the limited funds on arresting armed assault and pedophile perpetrators. <br/> <br/> <cite>Gary W Addis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A242799&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment242799"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Tonya, the massage Program Director of my school is a member of the State Board, and even she can't do anything about it-- the corruption goes too deep.<br/> <br/> <cite>Tonya Brooks-Taylor said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A243107&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment243107"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hmm. I have contacted my massage licensing board using my own name and they are so small that they don't even have the bandwidth to address routine questions let alone do anything to about this issue. All they can do is license businesses then not check up to make sure they are legitimate. Makes me think my certification and license aren't worth the paper they were written on. I've even contacted my local chamber of commerce, and police (anonymously of course) and provided links to and excerpts from the sex sites that mentioned by name the local massage places (these included names of businesses, addresses, name of therapists and descriptions of activities going on). My 2 or 3 person licensing board told me to complete a form and submit the information anonymously, the local chamber of commerce said "Isn't that terrible" and did nothing, and the police never responded or even acknowledged the information sent. The massage parlors I tried to report (including the one two blocks from me) are still open 24 hours a day (at least the sign "Open" is on at all hours of the night) and when I check there are still new updates about the sexual activities going on in the places on the erotic sites I use for research. So I now give up. If the licensing board is too small and ineffectual to do anything and if the police turn a blind eye (BTW I hear rumors that some of them are even clients of these places), and if my local chamber of commerce couldn't care less then what on earth am I to do about it? I guess absolutely nothing.</p>
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</blockquote> In Anchorage...If you show th…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-12-04:2887274:Comment:2428022011-12-04T17:59:35.052ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>In Anchorage...If you show that you graduated from a Massage School with certain amount of hours.. They give you a license to do massage... The people that work the parlors show diplomas from fake schools in California.. And they give them a license. Everybody knows it. But they do it anyway. So the laws against prostitution here are as fake as the fake schools they accept for the massage license in the first place...You just need a fake diploma here to do massage work or be a…</p>
<p>In Anchorage...If you show that you graduated from a Massage School with certain amount of hours.. They give you a license to do massage... The people that work the parlors show diplomas from fake schools in California.. And they give them a license. Everybody knows it. But they do it anyway. So the laws against prostitution here are as fake as the fake schools they accept for the massage license in the first place...You just need a fake diploma here to do massage work or be a prostitute. Or both.. take your choice...<br/> <br/> <cite>Daniel Cohen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A243206&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment243206"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Gary it isn't so much the corruption which does exist especially on local levels but the fact that this type of crime is too low level for the high cost of conviction. Personally I would rather the government spends the limited funds on arresting armed assault and pedophile perpetrators. <br/> <br/> <cite>Gary W Addis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A242799&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment242799"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Tonya, the massage Program Director of my school is a member of the State Board, and even she can't do anything about it-- the corruption goes too deep.<br/> <br/> <cite>Tonya Brooks-Taylor said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A243107&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment243107"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hmm. I have contacted my massage licensing board using my own name and they are so small that they don't even have the bandwidth to address routine questions let alone do anything to about this issue. All they can do is license businesses then not check up to make sure they are legitimate. Makes me think my certification and license aren't worth the paper they were written on. I've even contacted my local chamber of commerce, and police (anonymously of course) and provided links to and excerpts from the sex sites that mentioned by name the local massage places (these included names of businesses, addresses, name of therapists and descriptions of activities going on). My 2 or 3 person licensing board told me to complete a form and submit the information anonymously, the local chamber of commerce said "Isn't that terrible" and did nothing, and the police never responded or even acknowledged the information sent. The massage parlors I tried to report (including the one two blocks from me) are still open 24 hours a day (at least the sign "Open" is on at all hours of the night) and when I check there are still new updates about the sexual activities going on in the places on the erotic sites I use for research. So I now give up. If the licensing board is too small and ineffectual to do anything and if the police turn a blind eye (BTW I hear rumors that some of them are even clients of these places), and if my local chamber of commerce couldn't care less then what on earth am I to do about it? I guess absolutely nothing.</p>
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</blockquote> Daniel, this is Mississippi I…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-12-04:2887274:Comment:2432122011-12-04T16:50:31.646ZGary W Addis, LMThttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GaryWAddis
<p>Daniel, this is Mississippi I'm talking about. Corruption abounds. Ever read Missisippi Mud, ever read about the Dixie Mafia? There were casinos operating openly in Biloxi when it was illegal everywhere except Vegas. It's considered "victimless crime"-- but WE, our reputations as massage therapists, are victims of it...the young girls who are forced into prostitution disguised as massage are victims of it. </p>
<p>Tonya is right: it ain't gonna change because we the people aren't…</p>
<p>Daniel, this is Mississippi I'm talking about. Corruption abounds. Ever read Missisippi Mud, ever read about the Dixie Mafia? There were casinos operating openly in Biloxi when it was illegal everywhere except Vegas. It's considered "victimless crime"-- but WE, our reputations as massage therapists, are victims of it...the young girls who are forced into prostitution disguised as massage are victims of it. </p>
<p>Tonya is right: it ain't gonna change because we the people aren't incensed by it. With our complacency, we contribute to the proliferation of unlicensed, unregulated "massage parlors" who force drug addicts to provide "happy endings". And not just anyone can get away with operating one-- you got to know who to pay off, you got to have the permission of the mobster-local politician-police chief--sheriff coalition.<br/> <br/> <cite>Daniel Cohen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A243206&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment243206"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Gary it isn't so much the corruption which does exist especially on local levels but the fact that this type of crime is too low level for the high cost of conviction. Personally I would rather the government spends the limited funds on arresting armed assault and pedophile perpetrators. <br/> <br/> <cite>Gary W Addis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A242799&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment242799"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Tonya, the massage Program Director of my school is a member of the State Board, and even she can't do anything about it-- the corruption goes too deep.<br/> <br/> <cite>Tonya Brooks-Taylor said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/massage-parlours?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A243107&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment243107"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hmm. I have contacted my massage licensing board using my own name and they are so small that they don't even have the bandwidth to address routine questions let alone do anything to about this issue. All they can do is license businesses then not check up to make sure they are legitimate. Makes me think my certification and license aren't worth the paper they were written on. I've even contacted my local chamber of commerce, and police (anonymously of course) and provided links to and excerpts from the sex sites that mentioned by name the local massage places (these included names of businesses, addresses, name of therapists and descriptions of activities going on). My 2 or 3 person licensing board told me to complete a form and submit the information anonymously, the local chamber of commerce said "Isn't that terrible" and did nothing, and the police never responded or even acknowledged the information sent. The massage parlors I tried to report (including the one two blocks from me) are still open 24 hours a day (at least the sign "Open" is on at all hours of the night) and when I check there are still new updates about the sexual activities going on in the places on the erotic sites I use for research. So I now give up. If the licensing board is too small and ineffectual to do anything and if the police turn a blind eye (BTW I hear rumors that some of them are even clients of these places), and if my local chamber of commerce couldn't care less then what on earth am I to do about it? I guess absolutely nothing.</p>
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