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Comment by Steven W. Rhodes on March 10, 2010 at 10:10pm

Looking foreward to interacting with this group. I've been caring for patients since 1971 as a Registered Respiratory Therapist, Registered Nurse, Certified Healing Touch Practitioner, Clinical Hypnotherapist & Reiki 2. I also am advanced trained in EFT/MTT (Emotional Freedom Techniques/Meridian Tapping Techniques & Biofeedback.

Comment by Deborah E-Platt on January 18, 2010 at 9:47am

We should all remember that there was a time in which western medicine didn't "believe in" acupuncture or the meridian system, much less an energetic field around the body either. It wasn't until our science developed the right techniques to detect such things & their functions that we gained understanding about them. Meanwhile acupuncture & it's related fields have been utilized for a few thousand years & worked just fine, before the scientists could verify their effectiveness.

All of which goes to show that science doesn't have to prove everything first, in order for it to work, or to exist.

Comment by Ann Dew on January 18, 2010 at 9:19am

Energy work to me is a true gift from God. I am still new at all the wonders of energy work and always amazed at the affects it can and has make in me.

Comment by Mike Hinkle on December 16, 2009 at 9:45pm

Lots of interesting discussions over at this site about energy. Great site to join and find out about how things are with the EBP efforts. They really want your input.

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Comment by Dawn Marie Jordan on November 27, 2009 at 7:56pm

Totally loving this conversation ! As a woman who walks daily with both the spirits and the scientists, the one thing I notice most is that when there are open hearts, open minds and open wills, a way will emerge that is neither provable nor disprovable, but simply works.
I just go with what works. And relax into the mystery of the rest......
Learning how to live in the paradox, and trust we can find our way in the dark.....

Comment by Stuart R Dole on November 27, 2009 at 1:41pm

Hi Chistopher -

Well, you can't really exclude the spirits - they're around anyway - even in the lab. There are obvious philosophical issues about invoking "super natural" explanations, but that doesn't mean you can't start exploring their (our) realm and learning the cosmography of their (our) worlds, and the meta-physics that might apply.

In my experience there do seem to be "invariants" (i.e.: symmetries), so you can begin to talk about formal descriptions. But this is another issue.

Homeopathy has a hand tied behind its back in regards to research. It is promoted to be used like an allopathic medicine ("take this pill to kill the bad bugs"), but I have a hunch that its affect is through spiritual channels. So studies need much more subtle design... I dunno - just my current thoughts. (Incidentally, I use homeopathics for myself and loved ones, and they seem effective. My wife used to work in the homeopathic industry.)

Happy trails!

Comment by Christopher A. Moyer on November 27, 2009 at 12:59pm

Hi Stuart.

It is not at all difficult to design studies of homeopathy, or of most energy medicine practices, so that they are double-blind.

As for spirits... Well, once you are using spirits as explanation for natural phenomena, there really isn't much point in talking about anything related to research, is there?

Comment by Stuart R Dole on November 25, 2009 at 10:15pm

Hi Christopher, Dawn, others...

Homeopathy is interesting. I have a background in the hard sciences (biophysics), some training and practice in energy medicine (Reiki, NAET, TAT), but I've also been training with shamans and indigenous healers the last few years. In the process I was trained in "curse removal", and I had to learn how folks actually make them. I realized that homeopathic remedies are made in much the same way, but with opposite intent. The process of making remedies is not well constrained spiritually, though the manufacturers strive for reproducibility and quality control, so "YMMV" as they say.

Further, I've noticed that there's something about the "intent field" in the scientific tests of energy medicine, or spiritual medicine for that matter, that seems to effectively short everything out, so it often seems to collapse to some sort of ordinary ground state of "no effect". Or very small effect, anyway. Also, it's hard to "blind" or "double blind" any experiments.

For spiritual healing, it seems the spirits, as independent entities, typically aren't very interested in scientific proof of anything. Seems they'd rather just have fun.

Another serious problem is, I guess, reputation. I know several experiments that actually had very strong results and were well controlled, but the PIs start dragging their feet when it comes to the publication process - like they're really afraid of peer review - probably rightly so! When your paycheck depends on (very scarce) grants, and the grants depend on your (fragile) reputation, it's amazing how conservative even the most radical scientist can become.

Just some thoughts...
Happy trails

Comment by Christopher A. Moyer on November 25, 2009 at 7:55pm

Hi Dawn.

Sure, money plays a role in medicine and in science. But there would be financial rewards for someone who could scientifically demonstrate energy medicine.

As for homeopathy, it is interesting that you mention it - a study on that practice DID appear in the journal Nature. (This shows that the premier journals _are_ willing to publish such research.) In the end, though, attempts to replicate the results of that study were entirely unsuccessful, and the results of the original study were disputed. The wikipedia file on Benveniste, the author of the original study, is quite good in providing some of the background:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Benveniste

Homeopathy is indeed still available today which, in my scientific opinion, is a shame. It may have been widely used during a particular flu epidemic, and it is even possible that it was less risky than some antiquated "treatments" that we now know were harmful, but homeopathy didn't provide any benefits to those infected with flu beyond the placebo effect.

Water doesn't have dangerous side effects, but it doesn't have any medicinal effects either.

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