Draping versus No Draping - massage and bodywork professionals2024-03-29T05:45:15Zhttps://massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/draping-versus-no-draping?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A108688&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI work and have massages in T…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-12-15:2887274:Comment:2919062012-12-15T01:59:31.177ZSandyhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/Sandy
I work and have massages in Texas. I do not like a drape as I feel adjusting it interferes with the flow. I have many male clients who don't equate sex with draping,<br />
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Also Casandra, I can't believe you were taught not to do the tush
I work and have massages in Texas. I do not like a drape as I feel adjusting it interferes with the flow. I have many male clients who don't equate sex with draping,<br />
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Also Casandra, I can't believe you were taught not to do the tush You should never feel foolish…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-12-14:2887274:Comment:2918062012-12-14T21:18:13.487ZCassandra Cravenshttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/CassandraCravens
<p>You should never feel foolish for trusting your instincts. You can't work well if you're nervous or anxious. </p>
<p>I have a regular client who repeatedly stated that he would be comfortable with no draping while i work on his glutes. I was trained to use full draping, only the portion of the body being worked on is exposed. I also have an agreement with my husband that I don't have skin to skin contact on the tush. So I told him that I was trained to work draped and he was fine with…</p>
<p>You should never feel foolish for trusting your instincts. You can't work well if you're nervous or anxious. </p>
<p>I have a regular client who repeatedly stated that he would be comfortable with no draping while i work on his glutes. I was trained to use full draping, only the portion of the body being worked on is exposed. I also have an agreement with my husband that I don't have skin to skin contact on the tush. So I told him that I was trained to work draped and he was fine with it, stopped bringing it up. and keeps coming back. </p>
<p>If you are an effective therapist your returning clients won't have a problem with the draping. No one gets 'em all.</p> Lomi Lomi is always another m…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-12-03:2887274:Comment:2890742012-12-03T01:54:58.384ZEric Thomashttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/EricThomas
<p>Lomi Lomi is always another modality to use.hardly no drape at all or you can just use towels to cover private area.</p>
<p>Lomi Lomi is always another modality to use.hardly no drape at all or you can just use towels to cover private area.</p> I live and work in Minneapoli…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-12-01:2887274:Comment:2889002012-12-01T17:07:40.590ZRick Nelsonhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/RickNelson
<p><span>I live and work in Minneapolis. I see many different therapists in Mpls, and the surrounding metropolitan area. I don't go to any Chiropractic offices or any spa-type massage salons. I go to a few small massage parlors but mostly I go to independent providers. Speaking from lots of real-life experience, it is very rare for independent providers to use draping in this area. Usually there is not even a discussion about it, it is just expected that there will be no draping and that…</span></p>
<p><span>I live and work in Minneapolis. I see many different therapists in Mpls, and the surrounding metropolitan area. I don't go to any Chiropractic offices or any spa-type massage salons. I go to a few small massage parlors but mostly I go to independent providers. Speaking from lots of real-life experience, it is very rare for independent providers to use draping in this area. Usually there is not even a discussion about it, it is just expected that there will be no draping and that draping would get in the way of the massage. I am talking about legitimate professional massage. </span></p>
<p><span>On a different note, a trend that I am seeing that is becoming more frequent is for the therapist to either not leave the room while I am getting undressed, or to ask if I would like her to leave the room. The reason for this is because a) it takes less than a minute to get undressed and get on the table (or futon); b) nothing mysterious is happening while getting undressed; and c) the therapist is going to see you anyway so what is the point of standing outside the room for the transition to the table.</span></p> Beautifully stated.tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-09-25:2887274:Comment:2771992012-09-25T17:52:29.469ZDaniel Cohenhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/DanielCohen
<p>Beautifully stated.</p>
<p>Beautifully stated.</p>
I rarely comment in public…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-09-23:2887274:Comment:2770542012-09-23T19:16:06.055Zmichelle travorhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/michelletravor
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<p>I rarely comment in public forums because of the tenor of radical responses and because some controversy usually ensues. It seems that may have occurred here as well. But, I feel strongly enough about the topic at hand that I feel compelled to offer a few of my thoughts on the subject.</p>
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<p>No doubt I wll be labelled immediately because I admit that I occassionally offer non-draped sessions to both female and male clients. Having said that however, each client is…</p>
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<p>I rarely comment in public forums because of the tenor of radical responses and because some controversy usually ensues. It seems that may have occurred here as well. But, I feel strongly enough about the topic at hand that I feel compelled to offer a few of my thoughts on the subject.</p>
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<p>No doubt I wll be labelled immediately because I admit that I occassionally offer non-draped sessions to both female and male clients. Having said that however, each client is different and the option is never available to new clients. The choice is made after familiarity with their needs and preferences, and their behavior in the office and in the treatment room.</p>
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<p>Lets face it, unfortunately, not all clients are mature enough to handle a non-draped session. Equally true, is that not all therapists are mature enough for that kind of session either, so if that is you then you are smart to not provide the option. The sheet makes no difference, it makes no difference to me personally because it is basically the same massage for that person either way. But to some clients it does matter a lot and then in that case it also matters to me very much, because we are multimensional people and trust, sincerity and personal connecting do matter. Connecting, is care giving. Artificiality on any level, is just that, and that insenstivity does not promote health.</p>
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<p>As we all should know, the therapeutics of massage are not all in the body, but also in the emotions and cognitions. We are not unidimensional as people or as therapists, and neither are our clients. If a law requires something, it is our responsibility to comply. However, situations and circumstances vary, as do people and their needs. Robotic compliance to an insenstivite health standard does not ensure that the best health is acheived and that the best treatments are delivered.</p>
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<p>A large measure of therapy we provide is through engaging and connecting with people, but I am not suggesting an engergy based approach, per se. Artificiality that the client senses or experiences in our offices and on our massage tables degrades therapy and our effectiveness. Its all human needs based and we are all more than a sum of our parts. Consequently, rigidity or sterality in either our approach or in our attitude affects our clients, because they can sense it, just like we can sense the emotions and attitudes behind the postings made here. To deny that is silly and ill-informed.</p>
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<p>My points? Whomever said there are no gray areas, is just ignorant of the human condition and of this field, and is also not a true caregiver in my opinion. And, whomever said they are never nude in a Doctors office, apparently has not been to a real doctor. Those who say that an undraped client is a sexual pervert or acting out a sexual fantasy, is an absolutist and I would not wish for anyone to be their client because that is clearly an unhealthy attitude.</p>
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<p>Lastly, I have provided care for 30 years. I did so when there were no laws, no licenses and no regulations. Those legal factors are recent developments. For hundreds or maybe even thousands of years, no laws existed on massage therapy. Now that they do exist, nothing for me or my clients have changed, including my ethics and my morality. My business is just as busy as always and there are not enough hours in the days and enough days in the week to accomodate appointment requests. If massage therapy is approached for the true benefit of the client, they will know the difference and will return often to you.</p>
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<p>Think about it carefully before you hit the 'add reply' button.</p> May an amateur respond? I re…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-06-04:2887274:Comment:2633532012-06-04T03:01:43.315ZBill Conradhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/BillOwens
<p>May an amateur respond? I read the first five pages of this discussion, then the last page. Too much to read in between. But it seems to me the main issue should be that following state law will offer some legal protection against unsupported claims from disgruntled clients. On the personal side, I massage only friends who are comfortable with being nude, but then I have no license to protect and I don't accept money. When I'm receiving a massage, I much prefer to be undraped. It's…</p>
<p>May an amateur respond? I read the first five pages of this discussion, then the last page. Too much to read in between. But it seems to me the main issue should be that following state law will offer some legal protection against unsupported claims from disgruntled clients. On the personal side, I massage only friends who are comfortable with being nude, but then I have no license to protect and I don't accept money. When I'm receiving a massage, I much prefer to be undraped. It's easy to get overheated with sheet and blanket (popular in Georgia when I was there), and I've had to help my favorite therapist (favorite except for his draping insistence) tug, tuck and maneuver his sheet and blanket around so that he could reach whatever limb he was working on. Too much drama. Even here in Hawaii in my own breezy living room, my therapist prefers to drape me, and I easily get sweaty under a towel. When I moved here I broke the ice with him by offering him a hand towel and a bath towel to cover me with if he didn't enjoy looking at a naked old man. He covered me with the larger towel. When he's stretching me, he tugs and tucks the towel, but still sees everything. When I used to see him in his office, he draped me with a small thin mini-sheet that left nothing to anybody's imagination in a sunlit room, yet it was legal enough. For me, draping is silly, massage is pain relief and sex never happens. Like most men, I want my butt massaged, and you may as well see it as feel it.</p> To Jimmy Gialelis,
How dare y…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-05-05:2887274:Comment:2603292012-05-05T08:23:02.587ZLouis Lombardhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/LouisLombard
<p>To Jimmy Gialelis,</p>
<p>How dare you speak for all men? You neither know me as a man, nor have the right to speak for me. Being nude is a prelude to sexual crime, innuendo, or abuse? Really?? Perhaps hospitals and other medical and care-giving establishments also need your lectures on immoral nudity and professionalism?</p>
<p>State your personal opinions upon the merits and ideals of your own name. Not on others. I can speak for myself. I don't believe being nude is a prelude to sexual…</p>
<p>To Jimmy Gialelis,</p>
<p>How dare you speak for all men? You neither know me as a man, nor have the right to speak for me. Being nude is a prelude to sexual crime, innuendo, or abuse? Really?? Perhaps hospitals and other medical and care-giving establishments also need your lectures on immoral nudity and professionalism?</p>
<p>State your personal opinions upon the merits and ideals of your own name. Not on others. I can speak for myself. I don't believe being nude is a prelude to sexual promiscuity. Being <em><strong>sexually aggressive </strong></em>is a prelude to sexual promiscuity.</p>
<p>Massage therapists still have a long way to go? Where do you practice? The Red Light District?</p>
<p>I don't argue that it is absolutely a therapist's right to require draping. 99.5% of therapists do. But leave it at that. Don't speak for the other .5%, or the clients that prefer non draping.</p>
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<p>Absolutely ridiculous. <br/> <br/> <cite>Jimmy Gialelis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/draping-versus-no-draping?id=2887274%3ATopic%3A102187&page=2#2887274Comment105070"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Daniel, I think you missed my point. Just because the law does not equivically state you don't need to drape in bold, obvious terms, that doesn't mean it's ethical to not drape. In fact, I argue it is unethical to not drape a client. You are putting yourself in danger of a major boundary violation when you perform massages in this fashion. To avoid ethical dilemnas and situations where your integrity is challenged, don't even put yourself in that position. That's my point.<br/> <br/> Also, one more point, for our profession to advance in credibility, it's important we maintain the highest standards of professionalism. It is necessary that we EDUCATE those individuals who believe in never being draped that draping is necessary for a therapeutic session in achieving optimal results. The more we educate clients and help them see how ethical we practice our trade, the more credibility we will receive from the general public and this opens more doors for our industry!<br/> <br/> We still have a long way to go, let's push our industry forward instead of letting unethical therapists push us back!</div>
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</blockquote> all of you are full of shame…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-04-14:2887274:Comment:2584952012-04-14T20:50:08.456Ztj bobbershttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/tjbobbers
<p><br></br> all of you are full of shame and drapping sux! massage sux in this day and age- SHAME SHAME SHAME ! loveugodbless tj kabbalah matthewshepard madonnalicious</p>
<p><br></br> <cite>Rhonda Koch said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/draping-versus-no-draping#2887274Comment102645"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">We must drape in WI. and I must admit, I'm pretty happy about that!!<br></br> Sounds like you handled the situation the best you could, by…</div>
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<p><br/> all of you are full of shame and drapping sux! massage sux in this day and age- SHAME SHAME SHAME ! loveugodbless tj kabbalah matthewshepard madonnalicious</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Rhonda Koch said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/draping-versus-no-draping#2887274Comment102645"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">We must drape in WI. and I must admit, I'm pretty happy about that!!<br/> Sounds like you handled the situation the best you could, by explaining your feelings. He can look for someone who is happy to oblige assuming your state allows. No one wants to 'turn away' business but as you already stated...if you are not comfortable, you won't be doing your best work.<br/> It really is as simple as that in any situation. If something has made a client uncomfortable they won't be happy and if WE are uncomfortable we aren't doing the best we can for that client.<br/> Clients choose different therapists for different reasons and having to pick because of draping, or not, is just another choice they have. You'll have PLENTY of clients that pick you because it is a standard that you set for yourself.<br/> That's just my 2 cents!!!</div>
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</blockquote> all of you are full of shame…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-04-14:2887274:Comment:2584942012-04-14T20:49:19.450Ztj bobbershttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/tjbobbers
<p>all of you are full of shame and drapping sux! massage sux in this day and age- SHAME SHAME SHAME ! loveugodbless tj kabbalah matthewshepard madonnalicious</p>
<p>all of you are full of shame and drapping sux! massage sux in this day and age- SHAME SHAME SHAME ! loveugodbless tj kabbalah matthewshepard madonnalicious</p>