I can't believe it? - massage and bodywork professionals2024-03-28T16:55:48Zhttps://massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A253301&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYea prescription drugs kill s…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-02-29:2887274:Comment:2538582012-02-29T02:34:37.629ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>Yea prescription drugs kill so many...one every 19 minutes. ...and thats not counting deaths from illegal usage.. Combine that with those statistics of when doctors go on strike....Makes one think? Then add all that to the percentage of unnecessary carpal tunnel surgeries and such... And they dont really know about trigger points... I have good friends that are Doctors..But I think they need to police themselves... Must be easier said then done though.. Yea Daniel, I saw that TV show a…</p>
<p>Yea prescription drugs kill so many...one every 19 minutes. ...and thats not counting deaths from illegal usage.. Combine that with those statistics of when doctors go on strike....Makes one think? Then add all that to the percentage of unnecessary carpal tunnel surgeries and such... And they dont really know about trigger points... I have good friends that are Doctors..But I think they need to police themselves... Must be easier said then done though.. Yea Daniel, I saw that TV show a few days ago...its shocking....<br/> <br/> <cite>Daniel Cohen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A254107&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment254107"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>THis video might be of interest.</p>
<p><br/><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BtIU0UsYnk&feature=g-wl&context=G2d135b7AWAAAAAAAAAA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BtIU0UsYnk&feature=g-wl&con...</a><br/><cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?id=2887274%3ATopic%3A249985&page=6#2887274Comment253681"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Check the two attachments..<br/><br/><cite>Daniel Cohen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?page=6&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A253678&x=1#2887274Comment253678"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.worstpills.org/public/page.cfm?op_id=4" target="_blank">http://www.worstpills.org/public/page.cfm?op_id=4</a> deaths and injury to approved drug interaction.<br/><br/><cite>Lee Edelberg said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A253674&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment253674"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>300,000 people a year?<br/><br/><cite>Kay Warren said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?id=2887274%3ATopic%3A249985&page=4#2887274Comment251703"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>........ That being said, MDs kill over 300K people per year, more than 5x the number of civilians killed by guns.....</p>
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</blockquote> THis video might be of intere…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-02-28:2887274:Comment:2541072012-02-28T22:48:01.174ZDaniel Cohenhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/DanielCohen
<p>THis video might be of interest.</p>
<p><br></br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BtIU0UsYnk&feature=g-wl&context=G2d135b7AWAAAAAAAAAA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BtIU0UsYnk&feature=g-wl&context=G2d135b7AWAAAAAAAAAA</a><br></br><cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?id=2887274%3ATopic%3A249985&page=6#2887274Comment253681"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Check the two…</p>
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<p>THis video might be of interest.</p>
<p><br/><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BtIU0UsYnk&feature=g-wl&context=G2d135b7AWAAAAAAAAAA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BtIU0UsYnk&feature=g-wl&context=G2d135b7AWAAAAAAAAAA</a><br/><cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?id=2887274%3ATopic%3A249985&page=6#2887274Comment253681"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Check the two attachments..<br/><br/><cite>Daniel Cohen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?page=6&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A253678&x=1#2887274Comment253678"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><a href="http://www.worstpills.org/public/page.cfm?op_id=4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.worstpills.org/public/page.cfm?op_id=4</a> deaths and injury to approved drug interaction.<br/><br/><cite>Lee Edelberg said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A253674&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment253674"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>300,000 people a year?<br/><br/><cite>Kay Warren said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?id=2887274%3ATopic%3A249985&page=4#2887274Comment251703"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>........ That being said, MDs kill over 300K people per year, more than 5x the number of civilians killed by guns.....</p>
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</blockquote> Cool... I will do that..I lov…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-02-28:2887274:Comment:2533012012-02-28T22:01:37.521ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>Cool... I will do that..I love simple remedies like that. Ive been drinking store bought herbal medicinal teas. Very good..Thanks...I can share that info too.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Daniel Cohen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A254016&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment254016"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>As for the sore throat try making hot black pepper tea. It only takes a pinch of…</p>
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<p>Cool... I will do that..I love simple remedies like that. Ive been drinking store bought herbal medicinal teas. Very good..Thanks...I can share that info too.<br/> <br/> <cite>Daniel Cohen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A254016&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment254016"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>As for the sore throat try making hot black pepper tea. It only takes a pinch of ground black pepper in a cup of hot water. Steep for 2-3 minutes and drink the whole thing warm. Great antiinflammatory/antibacterial.</p>
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</blockquote> As for the sore throat try ma…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-02-28:2887274:Comment:2540162012-02-28T21:54:09.433ZDaniel Cohenhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/DanielCohen
<p>As for the sore throat try making hot black pepper tea. It only takes a pinch of ground black pepper in a cup of hot water. Steep for 2-3 minutes and drink the whole thing warm. Great antiinflammatory/antibacterial.</p>
<p>As for the sore throat try making hot black pepper tea. It only takes a pinch of ground black pepper in a cup of hot water. Steep for 2-3 minutes and drink the whole thing warm. Great antiinflammatory/antibacterial.</p> I'm home today with a sore th…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-02-28:2887274:Comment:2540152012-02-28T21:31:32.162ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>I'm home today with a sore throat..fun fun... Anyway I forgot what thread I talked about this on.. but I saw a lady a few days ago that had really bad hip pain...after having two back surgeries surgeries.. Well the surgeries did stop pain from running down her leg, but she was left with left hip pain that was so bad she couldnt even turn over at night in bed. The docs told her they can do another surgery to try and fix that... I gave her only one massage...she had a trigger point on her…</p>
<p>I'm home today with a sore throat..fun fun... Anyway I forgot what thread I talked about this on.. but I saw a lady a few days ago that had really bad hip pain...after having two back surgeries surgeries.. Well the surgeries did stop pain from running down her leg, but she was left with left hip pain that was so bad she couldnt even turn over at night in bed. The docs told her they can do another surgery to try and fix that... I gave her only one massage...she had a trigger point on her illiac crest lateral to her L5 L4 area....I just saw her yesterday...there was no sign of it...it was gone.. she was only hear to visit her family.. she left today...but my goodness...What would they operate on? It was just one big Trigger point? I cant help but think how many people I could help avoid surgery...... No wonder our health care costs are so high...If only doctors understood what a trigger point is.. It was actually a very simple problem....surgery? How many thousands of dollars would that cost? I guess they would just slash that nerve that innervated that area?? They no not what they are doing.</p> Just finished working on my c…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-02-28:2887274:Comment:2532722012-02-28T02:27:31.015ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>Just finished working on my co-worker...The one that was trying to decided weather to see a Chiropractor or MD. for her neck n head ache pain....this was her second session...some of the trigger points I released last session came back, but only about 25% of what they were before..I worked on her a half hour today and eliminated another half dozen TPs on the trunk of her body..Turned her over and did some good cervical work.... When she left she said "I cant believe how good I feel now." …</p>
<p>Just finished working on my co-worker...The one that was trying to decided weather to see a Chiropractor or MD. for her neck n head ache pain....this was her second session...some of the trigger points I released last session came back, but only about 25% of what they were before..I worked on her a half hour today and eliminated another half dozen TPs on the trunk of her body..Turned her over and did some good cervical work.... When she left she said "I cant believe how good I feel now." She paid me in beer... So I should be feeling pretty good myself later...lol<br/><br/><cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?page=6&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A253695&x=1#2887274Comment253829"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>In another link I talked about a co-worker of mine who was talking with a friend about weather too see an MD or Chiro for her neck pain...They didnt even consider a massage. And they see me every day..They hear me talking...Well I did convince her to let me work on her...In a few minutes, her neck pain was gone.. Gone is good..Now she knows reality.. She is coming to see me today about her hips that have been bothering her on and off for a long time. The interesting thing is, Gary, you could of taken care of her neck problem too.. if I remember correctly...three big easy to find TPs were causing her problem....A while back I made a statement saying that Im better then a chiropractor..I think it shocked some people to have me say that... But look what Gary did for that 82 year old women..Gary isnt even finished with massage school yet.. For whatever reason. We have a High Art thats just not recognized by anyone. <br/><br/><cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?page=6&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A253256&x=1#2887274Comment253256"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I just reread this line of thought..Great job Gary...Ive worked with acupuncturists, MDs, chiropractors,naturalpaths, and physical therapists. All Im going to say is....I know what they do, what they tell their patients and what they do to treat their patients in general...and I know what I say and do..If Im sick...I stay home and drink herbal teas. If Im in pain, back hurts or whatever...I know a couple good massage therapists that I go see. Im talking mostly about how they handle things like back pain, sciatic and such.. .. Gary, you are more advanced then you think..Look what you did for that 82 year old women...Amazing in many ways.<br/><br/><cite>Gary W Addis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?x=1&id=2887274%3ATopic%3A249985&page=5#2887274Comment252427"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I was extremely lucky in the instructor I was assigned for NMT--I switched to night class to get into his class, those I started with 15 months ago didn't. I learned to work trigger points; sadly, they didn't. And I've had another benefit. You, Stephen and Daniel and Gordon are generous to me and anyone else who asks for advice. Then there's the expertise of CEU providers Myers, Allen, Benjamin, Luchau, Davies--too many to name. Actually, I've never met an LMT who doesn't eagerly share his knowledge without reservation. <br/><br/><cite>Stephen Jeffrey said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A252054&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment252054"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Great stuff Gordon and Gary,</p>
<p>its so interesting hearing how your career is shaping up Gary well done.</p>
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</blockquote> Its amazing isn't it.. Well d…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-02-27:2887274:Comment:2536952012-02-27T20:16:39.407ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>Its amazing isn't it.. Well done Lee. Hopefully she will tell her friends.. I mean once any horrible pathology is ruled out. Its massage therapy all the way..<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Lee Edelberg said:</cite></p>
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<p>Wednesday a woman who suffers migraines came in to see…</p>
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<p>Its amazing isn't it.. Well done Lee. Hopefully she will tell her friends.. I mean once any horrible pathology is ruled out. Its massage therapy all the way..<br/> <br/> <cite>Lee Edelberg said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?page=6&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A253269&x=1#2887274Comment253269"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Massage is the best.</p>
<p>Wednesday a woman who suffers migraines came in to see me.....she was experiencing a mild one at the time. </p>
<p>I practice full-body Esalen massage but I found some "headache material" in her neck so I spent extra time there. Afterwards she was so happy she was practically jumping around the room because her migraine was gone, and nobody had ever done that for her before. All I did was help her muscles relax and release!</p>
<p>Thx for the link Daniel......that could be a useful site.</p>
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Wednesda…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-02-27:2887274:Comment:2532692012-02-27T20:02:37.676ZLee Edelberghttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/LeeEdelberg
<p>Massage is the best.</p>
<p>Wednesday a woman who suffers migraines came in to see me.....she was experiencing a mild one at the time. </p>
<p>I practice full-body Esalen massage but I found some "headache material" in her neck so I spent extra time there. Afterwards she was so happy she was practically jumping around the room because her migraine was gone, and nobody had ever done that for her before. All I did was help her muscles relax and release!</p>
<p>Thx for the link…</p>
<p>Massage is the best.</p>
<p>Wednesday a woman who suffers migraines came in to see me.....she was experiencing a mild one at the time. </p>
<p>I practice full-body Esalen massage but I found some "headache material" in her neck so I spent extra time there. Afterwards she was so happy she was practically jumping around the room because her migraine was gone, and nobody had ever done that for her before. All I did was help her muscles relax and release!</p>
<p>Thx for the link Daniel......that could be a useful site.</p> In another link I talked abou…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-02-27:2887274:Comment:2538292012-02-27T19:24:47.118ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>In another link I talked about a co-worker of mine who was talking with a friend about weather too see an MD or Chiro for her neck pain...They didnt even consider a massage. And they see me every day..They hear me talking...Well I did convince her to let me work on her...In a few minutes, her neck pain was gone.. Gone is good..Now she knows reality.. She is coming to see me today about her hips that have been bothering her on and off for a long time. The interesting thing is, Gary, you could…</p>
<p>In another link I talked about a co-worker of mine who was talking with a friend about weather too see an MD or Chiro for her neck pain...They didnt even consider a massage. And they see me every day..They hear me talking...Well I did convince her to let me work on her...In a few minutes, her neck pain was gone.. Gone is good..Now she knows reality.. She is coming to see me today about her hips that have been bothering her on and off for a long time. The interesting thing is, Gary, you could of taken care of her neck problem too.. if I remember correctly...three big easy to find TPs were causing her problem....A while back I made a statement saying that Im better then a chiropractor..I think it shocked some people to have me say that... But look what Gary did for that 82 year old women..Gary isnt even finished with massage school yet.. For whatever reason. We have a High Art thats just not recognized by anyone. <br/> <br/> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?page=6&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A253256&x=1#2887274Comment253256"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I just reread this line of thought..Great job Gary...Ive worked with acupuncturists, MDs, chiropractors,naturalpaths, and physical therapists. All Im going to say is....I know what they do, what they tell their patients and what they do to treat their patients in general...and I know what I say and do..If Im sick...I stay home and drink herbal teas. If Im in pain, back hurts or whatever...I know a couple good massage therapists that I go see. Im talking mostly about how they handle things like back pain, sciatic and such.. .. Gary, you are more advanced then you think..Look what you did for that 82 year old women...Amazing in many ways.<br/> <br/> <cite>Gary W Addis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?x=1&id=2887274%3ATopic%3A249985&page=5#2887274Comment252427"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I was extremely lucky in the instructor I was assigned for NMT--I switched to night class to get into his class, those I started with 15 months ago didn't. I learned to work trigger points; sadly, they didn't. And I've had another benefit. You, Stephen and Daniel and Gordon are generous to me and anyone else who asks for advice. Then there's the expertise of CEU providers Myers, Allen, Benjamin, Luchau, Davies--too many to name. Actually, I've never met an LMT who doesn't eagerly share his knowledge without reservation. <br/> <br/> <cite>Stephen Jeffrey said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A252054&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment252054"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Great stuff Gordon and Gary,</p>
<p>its so interesting hearing how your career is shaping up Gary well done.</p>
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</blockquote> I just reread this line of th…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-02-27:2887274:Comment:2532562012-02-27T18:35:06.348ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>I just reread this line of thought..Great job Gary...Ive worked with acupuncturists, MDs, chiropractors,naturalpaths, and physical therapists. All Im going to say is....I know what they do, what they tell their patients and what they do to treat their patients in general...and I know what I say and do..If Im sick...I stay home and drink herbal teas. If Im in pain, back hurts or whatever...I know a couple good massage therapists that I go see. Im talking mostly about how they handle things…</p>
<p>I just reread this line of thought..Great job Gary...Ive worked with acupuncturists, MDs, chiropractors,naturalpaths, and physical therapists. All Im going to say is....I know what they do, what they tell their patients and what they do to treat their patients in general...and I know what I say and do..If Im sick...I stay home and drink herbal teas. If Im in pain, back hurts or whatever...I know a couple good massage therapists that I go see. Im talking mostly about how they handle things like back pain, sciatic and such.. .. Gary, you are more advanced then you think..Look what you did for that 82 year old women...Amazing in many ways.<br/> <br/> <cite>Gary W Addis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?x=1&id=2887274%3ATopic%3A249985&page=5#2887274Comment252427"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I was extremely lucky in the instructor I was assigned for NMT--I switched to night class to get into his class, those I started with 15 months ago didn't. I learned to work trigger points; sadly, they didn't. And I've had another benefit. You, Stephen and Daniel and Gordon are generous to me and anyone else who asks for advice. Then there's the expertise of CEU providers Myers, Allen, Benjamin, Luchau, Davies--too many to name. Actually, I've never met an LMT who doesn't eagerly share his knowledge without reservation. <br/> <br/> <cite>Stephen Jeffrey said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-can-t-believe-it?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A252054&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment252054"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Great stuff Gordon and Gary,</p>
<p>its so interesting hearing how your career is shaping up Gary well done.</p>
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