I really don't understand???? - massage and bodywork professionals2024-03-29T10:27:09Zhttps://massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-really-don-t-understand?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A256706&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt requires not only stumblin…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-03-22:2887274:Comment:2567102012-03-22T03:46:41.903ZDaniel Cohenhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/DanielCohen
<p>It requires not only stumbling on the right source but being able to listen to something different and hear it. She is a lucky person.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-really-don-t-understand?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A256706&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment256706"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I just finished working on a physician.. She asked me a few questions...After a while I…</p>
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<p>It requires not only stumbling on the right source but being able to listen to something different and hear it. She is a lucky person.<br/> <br/> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-really-don-t-understand?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A256706&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment256706"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I just finished working on a physician.. She asked me a few questions...After a while I apologized to her for talking so much... She said " Oh no please keep talking... I'm learning a lot. I never realized any of this information you are telling me.." After the massage she typed in her ipad some of the information i told her along with. Buy MYOFACIAL PAIN AND DYSFUNCTION THE TRIGGER POINT MANUAL. BY Dr. Janet Travell and Dr. Dan Simmons...Along with scheduling her husband for a session with me, sense he has been suffering with an on going shoulder problem for some time.<br/> <br/> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-really-don-t-understand?x=1&id=2887274%3ATopic%3A255682&page=2#2887274Comment256620"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Yea, and the easy way to do what Daniel just explained is to make sure she is comfortable and that she is enjoying the massage. If you do that..You will not cause a miscarriage. I keep coming back to the same theme...If they would quit teaching for the tests, and spend more time teaching people how to actually massage.... We graduate, get nationally certified, but are afraid of massaging pregnant women...Only armed with wives tails of various sorts..and then run to the doctor if we think we might be getting carpal tunnel...Gosh....I should start my own school..And underground one or something. It wouldn't be recognized(probably banned) by any organization or state, but for $2,000.00 and a months time..You wouldn't be able to pass a national or state exam.. But you would know how to massage with confidence. And you would never have to run to the doctor if you think you might be getting carpal tunnel..I guarantee that. </p>
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</blockquote> That is fantastic! Way to go…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-03-22:2887274:Comment:2567072012-03-22T02:06:05.890ZTherese Schwartzhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/ThereseSchwartz
<p>That is fantastic! Way to go, Gordon!</p>
<p>That is fantastic! Way to go, Gordon!</p> I just finished working on a…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-03-21:2887274:Comment:2567062012-03-21T22:13:05.677ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>I just finished working on a physician.. She asked me a few questions...After a while I apologized to her for talking so much... She said " Oh no please keep talking... I'm learning a lot. I never realized any of this information you are telling me.." After the massage she typed in her ipad some of the information i told her along with. Buy MYOFACIAL PAIN AND DYSFUNCTION THE TRIGGER POINT MANUAL. BY Dr. Janet Travell and Dr. Dan Simmons...Along with scheduling her husband for a session…</p>
<p>I just finished working on a physician.. She asked me a few questions...After a while I apologized to her for talking so much... She said " Oh no please keep talking... I'm learning a lot. I never realized any of this information you are telling me.." After the massage she typed in her ipad some of the information i told her along with. Buy MYOFACIAL PAIN AND DYSFUNCTION THE TRIGGER POINT MANUAL. BY Dr. Janet Travell and Dr. Dan Simmons...Along with scheduling her husband for a session with me, sense he has been suffering with an on going shoulder problem for some time.<br/> <br/> <cite>Gordon J. Wallis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-really-don-t-understand?x=1&id=2887274%3ATopic%3A255682&page=2#2887274Comment256620"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Yea, and the easy way to do what Daniel just explained is to make sure she is comfortable and that she is enjoying the massage. If you do that..You will not cause a miscarriage. I keep coming back to the same theme...If they would quit teaching for the tests, and spend more time teaching people how to actually massage.... We graduate, get nationally certified, but are afraid of massaging pregnant women...Only armed with wives tails of various sorts..and then run to the doctor if we think we might be getting carpal tunnel...Gosh....I should start my own school..And underground one or something. It wouldn't be recognized(probably banned) by any organization or state, but for $2,000.00 and a months time..You wouldn't be able to pass a national or state exam.. But you would know how to massage with confidence. And you would never have to run to the doctor if you think you might be getting carpal tunnel..I guarantee that. </p>
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</blockquote> I agree about the infertility…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-03-21:2887274:Comment:2565452012-03-21T18:57:33.038ZTherese Schwartzhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/ThereseSchwartz
<p>I agree about the infertility issues - I've long been against the idea of any means possible.</p>
<p>I'm really glad to know there are so many people who are doing massage for pregnant women. I've only had one request for a pregnancy massage and I referred her to my massage therapist who was happy to do it. We only did one night of pregnancy massage in school and that was over 4 years ago - I guess part of my lack confidence is because I really don't know how to do it. </p>
<p>Keep up the…</p>
<p>I agree about the infertility issues - I've long been against the idea of any means possible.</p>
<p>I'm really glad to know there are so many people who are doing massage for pregnant women. I've only had one request for a pregnancy massage and I referred her to my massage therapist who was happy to do it. We only did one night of pregnancy massage in school and that was over 4 years ago - I guess part of my lack confidence is because I really don't know how to do it. </p>
<p>Keep up the good work!!</p> Therese, I think it has a lot…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-03-21:2887274:Comment:2564012012-03-21T17:55:16.490ZKatie Clairhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/KatieClair
<p>Therese, I think it has a lot to do with women that shouldn't be getting pregnant (infertility issues) that do get pregnant by any means possible. I think that pregnancies are judged as fragile because you hear so much about miscarriages and difficult pregnancies. Not all pregnancies are fragile (I know I totally just contradicted my last post) Healthy, fertile women are going to carry to term no matter what (barring some terrible trauma) I think that a high risk pregnancy should be treated…</p>
<p>Therese, I think it has a lot to do with women that shouldn't be getting pregnant (infertility issues) that do get pregnant by any means possible. I think that pregnancies are judged as fragile because you hear so much about miscarriages and difficult pregnancies. Not all pregnancies are fragile (I know I totally just contradicted my last post) Healthy, fertile women are going to carry to term no matter what (barring some terrible trauma) I think that a high risk pregnancy should be treated with caution, but as far as a normal healthy mama, I'm massaging away!</p> I find that a lot of therapis…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-03-21:2887274:Comment:2564002012-03-21T17:18:17.798ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>I find that a lot of therapists simply repeat what they have been told, without any independent real thinking....Repeating stuff back..Just like you have to do to pass an extensive multiple choice exam.. Real learning is a lot different then just accumulating information. Espesially when most of it is useless and has little to do with your actual work. Thats the main reason there is such high burn out rate in our profession. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Therese Schwartz said:…</cite></p>
<p>I find that a lot of therapists simply repeat what they have been told, without any independent real thinking....Repeating stuff back..Just like you have to do to pass an extensive multiple choice exam.. Real learning is a lot different then just accumulating information. Espesially when most of it is useless and has little to do with your actual work. Thats the main reason there is such high burn out rate in our profession. <br/> <br/> <cite>Therese Schwartz said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-really-don-t-understand?page=3&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A256540&x=1#2887274Comment256540"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I am STILL finding things I have to unlearn that I was taught in school - like the stuff with pregnancy massage being discussed in this thread. Gordon, I don't have the years of experience yet (only been at this for 4 years) to teach school but I can guarantee that if I did it would be very different than what I was taught. Give me a few more years and I'll have a better idea of what needs to be taught! :) At the point I am doing the work I'm doing for people and it's because I've thrown out 90% of what I was taught in school - that's sad. And my teachers meant to do a good job! They just hadn't ever re-evaluated what they learned.</p>
<p>Katie - I agree with you that pregnancies can be fragile. And how sad is that - what has happened to us that we are that fragile? Humanity has been around for a very, very long time. We can't always have been this fragile or we wouldn't be here. </p>
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</blockquote> I am STILL finding things I h…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-03-21:2887274:Comment:2565402012-03-21T16:48:17.366ZTherese Schwartzhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/ThereseSchwartz
<p>I am STILL finding things I have to unlearn that I was taught in school - like the stuff with pregnancy massage being discussed in this thread. Gordon, I don't have the years of experience yet (only been at this for 4 years) to teach school but I can guarantee that if I did it would be very different than what I was taught. Give me a few more years and I'll have a better idea of what needs to be taught! :) At the point I am doing the work I'm doing for people and it's because I've thrown…</p>
<p>I am STILL finding things I have to unlearn that I was taught in school - like the stuff with pregnancy massage being discussed in this thread. Gordon, I don't have the years of experience yet (only been at this for 4 years) to teach school but I can guarantee that if I did it would be very different than what I was taught. Give me a few more years and I'll have a better idea of what needs to be taught! :) At the point I am doing the work I'm doing for people and it's because I've thrown out 90% of what I was taught in school - that's sad. And my teachers meant to do a good job! They just hadn't ever re-evaluated what they learned.</p>
<p>Katie - I agree with you that pregnancies can be fragile. And how sad is that - what has happened to us that we are that fragile? Humanity has been around for a very, very long time. We can't always have been this fragile or we wouldn't be here. </p> Yea, and the easy way to do w…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-03-21:2887274:Comment:2566202012-03-21T16:41:13.122ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>Yea, and the easy way to do what Daniel just explained is to make sure she is comfortable and that she is enjoying the massage. If you do that..You will not cause a miscarriage. I keep coming back to the same theme...If they would quit teaching for the tests, and spend more time teaching people how to actually massage.... We graduate, get nationally certified, but are afraid of massaging pregnant women...Only armed with wives tails of various sorts..and then run to the doctor if we think…</p>
<p>Yea, and the easy way to do what Daniel just explained is to make sure she is comfortable and that she is enjoying the massage. If you do that..You will not cause a miscarriage. I keep coming back to the same theme...If they would quit teaching for the tests, and spend more time teaching people how to actually massage.... We graduate, get nationally certified, but are afraid of massaging pregnant women...Only armed with wives tails of various sorts..and then run to the doctor if we think we might be getting carpal tunnel...Gosh....I should start my own school..And underground one or something. It wouldn't be recognized(probably banned) by any organization or state, but for $2,000.00 and a months time..You wouldn't be able to pass a national or state exam.. But you would know how to massage with confidence. And you would never have to run to the doctor if you think you might be getting carpal tunnel..I guarantee that. </p> That's why as you gain experi…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-03-21:2887274:Comment:2566092012-03-21T09:21:36.885ZDaniel Cohenhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/DanielCohen
<p>That's why as you gain experience you get more confident of your skills and experience. You learn if it goes wrong it isn't about what you did. You learn to feel what is going on and how to react to it. Now if everyone could be taught to believe what that touch reveals and how to follow it. Also to test this response. Then you would have a proper curriculum with board testing.</p>
<p>I work from fertility (preconception) to nursing the child (post-natal), womb to grave. I will work with…</p>
<p>That's why as you gain experience you get more confident of your skills and experience. You learn if it goes wrong it isn't about what you did. You learn to feel what is going on and how to react to it. Now if everyone could be taught to believe what that touch reveals and how to follow it. Also to test this response. Then you would have a proper curriculum with board testing.</p>
<p>I work from fertility (preconception) to nursing the child (post-natal), womb to grave. I will work with miscarriage recovery to easing dying because what I do is to enhance quality of life. I am a Massage Therapist.</p>
<p>"generally you aren't supposed to massage until the woman is into her third trimester." Is only generally in response to a litigious overly cautious society and not any problem with doing massage in the first trimester. Of course that massage may vary from simple light relaxation to stopping the early cramping that could cause miscarriage depending on Therapist skill/knowledge and client's need.</p>
<p>Any restriction on your practice should be made based on your comfort doing it. Do what you are comfortable, knowledgeable, skillful, and confident in and you will succeed.</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Katie Clair said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-really-don-t-understand?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A256526&xg_source=activity#2887274Comment256526"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>generally you aren't supposed to massage until the woman is into her third trimester. It isn't a fact that you could cause harm to a pregnancy its just a 'what if' pregnancies can be fragile, one little thing could go wrong and the pregnancy could terminate. </p>
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</blockquote> Truth is...a massage cant cau…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2012-03-21:2887274:Comment:2566082012-03-21T06:22:03.685ZGordon J. Wallishttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/GordonJWallis
<p>Truth is...a massage cant cause a miscarriage unless the therapist is abusive...<br></br> The therapist in that youtube clip. has another clip(#2) where she continues her discussion on pregnancy massages... she is right on.<br></br> <cite>Katie Clair said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-really-don-t-understand?page=2&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A256606&x=1#2887274Comment256606"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm not saying that you…</p>
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<p>Truth is...a massage cant cause a miscarriage unless the therapist is abusive...<br/> The therapist in that youtube clip. has another clip(#2) where she continues her discussion on pregnancy massages... she is right on.<br/> <cite>Katie Clair said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/i-really-don-t-understand?page=2&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A256606&x=1#2887274Comment256606"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm not saying that you shouldn't massage pregnant women! They need it more than any of us! I was just sharing why we're advised not to use massotherapy before the second trimester. Prenatal massage is next on my list of things to learn.</p>
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