" The Psoas does refer pain to the QL low back area. But Psoas trigger points would be palpated in the abbs and upper thigh. If those areas are not tender. The Psoas is not a player.
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PPA ( Painful Palpatory Area )
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I had a client today with a pain problem that I was able to take care of very easily... I started thinking that if I saw her 30 years ago I would not have been able to help... And indeed it would…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by Therese Schwartz Apr 24.
I have no idea what they feel?
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The other day I had a new client that came in complaining of lower back pain. I asked her if she has seen anyone else for her back pain....she said she has tried chiropractic and has had several…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by Gordon J. Wallis Apr 10.
Feeling good
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Just feeling good, and I have to tell you guys(gals too).. A couple weeks ago a women came in the spa with a gift certificate for a 50 min. massage... She randomely got me... She told me she has…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by Gordon J. Wallis Mar 8.
Chronic hip pain, or things are not as they seem.
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I had a new client the other day... When we got into the room I asked her what she needed from this massage... She said. Just to relax I guess. I asked her if she had any painful or sore areas on…Continue
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Gordon J. Wallis replied to Barbara Gropl's discussion How to treat acute pain / Quadratus Lumborum bestGordon J. Wallis replied to Barbara Gropl's discussion How to treat acute pain / Quadratus Lumborum best"The QL and Abbs are antagonists. When the client lifts their head, the abbs contract. When the abbs contract it pulls on its own tendons. By further pulling on the tendons the brain thinks the abbs are really working hard. The QL has to relax. When…"
Gordon J. Wallis replied to Barbara Gropl's discussion How to treat acute pain / Quadratus Lumborum best"That's my own technique after accumulating knowledge from a lot of other people and reading a lot on pain and muscle function"
Gordon J. Wallis replied to Barbara Gropl's discussion How to treat acute pain / Quadratus Lumborum best"The tendon of the Abdominals attach at the pubic bone. You don't want to pull skin. You want to pull muscle tissue toward the clients head. Don't hurt the client. I learned it from studying for thirty years."
Gordon J. Wallis replied to Barbara Gropl's discussion How to treat acute pain / Quadratus Lumborum best"Try this.. have the client lay on their back. You place your palm on the QL trigger point (the client is laying on your hand). Have the client raise their head off the table and have him(her) look at their feet. At the same time as they lift…"
Gordon J. Wallis replied to Barbara Gropl's discussion How to treat acute pain / Quadratus Lumborum best"Its really impossible to answer that question without not actually being there. Anyeay.. So the Quadratus Lumborum is sore? or? It seems to be especially sensitive? What does that meant?"
Gordon J. Wallis replied to Stacey Freitag's discussion Increasing Education Requirements"Well good. It just seems a bit drastic. But what do I know?
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Gordon J. Wallis replied to Heather O'Brien's discussion Transfer from NY to FL"I thought Florida offered some kind of grace period that would allow you to work without a Florida License for six months before having to have a Florida License? I may be wrong, but I read that somewhere?"
Gordon J. Wallis replied to Stacey Freitag's discussion Increasing Education Requirements"It wouldnt let me paste the link here. So I sent you a message with the link."
Linda LePelley, RN, NMT left a comment for Gordon J. Wallis"Hello Gordon! Just wanted to check in, hope all is well with you! "
Therese Schwartz replied to Gordon J. Wallis's discussion PPA ( Painful Palpatory Area )"Wow, Gary, you are so right about how difficult it can be to crawl out of bed sometimes!! We are overwhelmed and bombarded on all sides by so much...and most of it really doesn't even matter!
I have started being much more clear with my…"
Gordon J. Wallis replied to Gordon J. Wallis's discussion PPA ( Painful Palpatory Area )"Lol. Yea. Do as I say. Not as I do."
Gary W Addis, LMT replied to Gordon J. Wallis's discussion PPA ( Painful Palpatory Area )"I don't stretch and know I should, actually I don't get in a workout very often anymore--and know I should. Too bad that so many people abuse a good thing ,though. They become fanatical about a sport, and injure and reinjure…"
Gordon J. Wallis replied to Gordon J. Wallis's discussion PPA ( Painful Palpatory Area )"Well stretching is good. I stretch every day.. But if you have had a succesful massage session. Like the client comes in hurting in a specific area. And when he leaves not hurting. He should not go home and stretch that area. He…"
Gary W Addis, LMT replied to Gordon J. Wallis's discussion PPA ( Painful Palpatory Area )"Tasha, what Gordon has labeled PPAs are what others call trigger points. I like his label more. The book definition of trigger point conflicts often with what we find in the tissue; therefore, the books say, well, there's active…"
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- At 9:26pm on April 25, 2013, Linda LePelley, RN, NMT said…
Hello Gordon! Just wanted to check in, hope all is well with you!
- At 12:33pm on December 11, 2012,
Kathleen Deaton said… Hi Gordon,
I enjoy your "down to earth" posts!
Kathleen
- At 7:35am on October 17, 2012, Gary W Addis, LMT said…
Hey, buddy.
I just stumbled into a forum thread "Flat Back Syndrome".
Your thoughts? The MT could use your advice, I think. Was posted on the 10th, and only two comments. I suggested TPs in the iliopsoas and abs pulling the hips into anterior tilt. Any advice yo ucan give the MT?
- At 6:42am on August 3, 2012, Therese Schwartz said…
Hi Gordon, just saw your friend request. Thanks!
- At 5:27pm on October 27, 2011,
Bruce Robertson Smith said… Hi Gordon, Thanks for the friend request. I just discovered this site and became fascinated with your thread "Just Dumping" on the how the Massage/Bodywork profession is perceived by the general public and other health professionals. It's a subject about which I have much to say. As one who has been doing this work for over 25 years but who just finally jumped through the hoops for the license I am experiencing a very rude awakening as to the realities of this field as a business and as a profession. I shall expand my thoughts as time goes on. I especially welcome the input of successful male MTs as I am discovering that obtaining bread and butter work in this field may not be in my cards. Spas and health clubs are not even responding to my resume, or if they do then it doesn't even progress to the practical part of working on someone to experience my skills.
I gather you're a martial artist. Me too: 1st Degree Black Belt in Kendo, Training in Chi Gong, Bagwa, Tai Chi and some Aikido.
Thanks for connecting!
- At 2:56pm on October 24, 2011, Linda Osborne said…
- Thanks for the friend invite, Gordon. I was enjoying reading your posts, ie: "Just Dumping", and just realized you are in Anchorage, also! I look forward to reading more of the discussions going on here, and glad I found this site.
- At 3:12am on October 14, 2011,
Kelly Sanders, LMT said… - Gordon, docs have a tendency to name that which they have little or no experience with as fibromyalgia. True FMS like RA can be very debilitating to the sufferer and it isn't all in their head; it truly is a myofacial pain, yes it does help releasin the trigger points but more helpful is a lifestyle change. My FMS clients are on a 6 week program that has them journalize their activities and track their pain levels and onset occurences weekly. We incorporate several holistic health modalities besides just massage into the treatment regime.
- At 8:55am on May 6, 2011,
Alexei Levine said… - I appreciate your common sense perceptions.
- At 5:32am on May 6, 2011, Gary W Addis, LMT said…
- Gordon, I gladly accept the friend invitation.
- At 5:48pm on April 19, 2011,
Mike Hinkle said… Your comments about AMTA's arrogance.
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